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Question: There have been some who have described the Path that You teach as a science. And of course most of us think of a science as something that can be repeated if you follow the exact instructions. But apparently there is an added element, namely the Master. Now, doesn't the addition of this added element take it out the realm of pure science?
Sant Kirpal Singh: What is the Master? He is not the man-body. It is the Power working through – that gives the boost. A small child learns something from his father and mother and from his brothers. In school he learns from the teachers. Similarly in this way, those who are adept on the way give a little way up. Not everybody can do it, only those who are competent. Of course, there is nothing lost in nature. But sometimes things are quickened, just as a young fruit tree if left to nature will take about seven or eight years to bring forth fruit, but if in a scientific way it is given some scientific food, it will bear fruit in two or three years. So the way up is something given by a higher competent soul to help another soul to have that experience. So this has been given in the West.
I went to Athens where I gave a talk, but I did not know the Greek language. A professor there interpreted. Then after that were questions and answers. At the end I told them, "All right, come to the meditation hour in the morning." So about fifty or sixty people came; they all got an experience. Then people ran up like anything. So that professor has written a big book, telling how Pythagoras used to teach the same thing, how Socrates said such and such. They have put my photo in the book and told how I have revived this ancient science. So this is something given, you see. But to maintain it, that's the point now. We must not be so much attached outside. To live a normal life is all right. If you are attached too much to outside things, you cannot concentrate inside; you will be dragged outside. For that reason the diary system is to be maintained. As regards a Master; He is Someone who can give you a boost. That's the God in Him, not the son of man.
The Master comes for the sinners. He takes those who come to Him, up for a while. But to stay up there requires purity. So to even the most sinful, the Master gives a boost and takes him above body consciousness, gives him a peep through the Door; and he sees Light. Whether good or bad, sinful or virtuous, the Master gives them all first a boost to come up. Then, if they are not attached to the world too much, they will be able to remain there. For that reason they must become purer. So He gives His hand to everybody, even the most sinful. He loves the sinner but hates the sin. He gives all who come to Him a boost and something to start with. Unless a man is raised, taken up, how can he see the Light? So when he reaches It, it is just like a man who had gone onto the roof by going up the stairs. When he gets near the roof he sees light. When he is withdrawn from outside and rises above body consciousness, he comes nearer to the place where that Door is, the tenth Door, and only then is he able to see the Light. This the Master gives to everybody. But the point is, if a man is attached too much to the world, naturally he must be changed; for that reason he is asked to lead a very virtuous life. I will give you an example: nowadays we have dry-cleaning, but previously the washerman used to strike the clothes against stones to take out all the filth; even if it was the filthiest cloth, he did not mind. He never refused it. He took it; he just cleaned it. It was his job; he was the washerman, you see. Now the times have changed. In the old days it was arduous work, but nowadays the dry-cleaning (of the Master is done) by sweet ways, by inducement, by loving words. "All right, please come up, leave all this behind." And the spiritual diary that the initiates are all asked to keep is only meant for that purpose. But the Master gives a boost to every man. He accepts everybody. He comes for the sinners as well as the virtuous.
(From the book "Light of Kirpal", chapter 1)
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Question: Does each Saint have a quota of souls that He is to bring back to Sat Purush?
Sant Kirpal Singh: A limited amount, of course. Each Saint has His own work to do. The Power is the same, but Their functions are different. Each has His own duty; He does it and goes Home.
Sant Kirpal Singh: If you have faith in the Master and you have no attachments to the world then many things are clarified, paid off in life. The Master sees that many karmas of the initiate are paid off. If there is no attachment left for worldly affairs, and he has so much love for the Master, nothing is dragging him to worldly affairs, then he has not to return. If he has so much love and faith in Master – Love beautifies. Love, and all other things are perfumed. Master pays off all debts of the past of his disciples. Such like who have not paid off, whose karmas cannot be washed out, come back but not below man body. If there is so much overwhelming love for the Master, all attachments are cut off ... You have to work for that. Why not do your work here? What you can do here in months, there you have to do in years. Better you do here.
Faith and love. Faith like a child's faith in his mother, like a child running from a lion into the arms of his mother. The child has full faith that the mother won't let him be harmed.
Sant Kirpal Singh: The reason you come to Him is to meet God. There is a room. It has four corners. There is a man in one corner who has millions of dollars; and he gives money to whoever goes there. The second corner is only for diseases; and those who come sick to him, he heals. The third is where supernatural powers are given. And in the fourth corner God is sitting Himself. How many will go to God? Very few. People come only for worldly things, here and hereafter, or for healing, or for supernatural powers. How many are there who come to God for God's sake? Very few. People come to the Master only for these three things – most of them! The man who comes to Him for His sake, rises with his right foot on the ladder. So you're blessed, you see. God has directed you from within to meet you somewhere where you can have your true chance of life, which is never like the world's relations, frittered away, never ruined, never lost.
Those who have got the manbody have the hereditary right to meet God. Those who think of the Master, who come in contact with all consciousness, will become more conscious. If you think of the material things where there is less consciousness, your consciousness will be decreased. You will go to the lower level of creation. So that is why it is most important to think of God – all consciousness – so that you may not come back in the lower levels of life. If at all you are sent back, that's another thing. As I told you yesterday, they are given the title, "You are My son, go and do this work."
When I first went to the West, you see, people told me, "Well, Christ is the greatest." "Oh, I'm glad to hear." "Is there any proof that He said He is the greatest? .... Yes, yes, he said, 'I am the son of God, Father has sent me.' "Then I quoted some references from the Tenth Guru, Fifth Guru and so many others who said the same. Then I asked, "What do you think now?" They are all sons of God. They are begotten Sons of God. They are the same as God Himself.
The Tenth Guru when He was ordered to come back, gave references to His past life too. Very few Masters do state, "I was there." But Tenth Guru gave the place, "I lived there." (I have found the place He referred to, I was there.) He said, "I was in sweet remembrance of God, so much so that I forgot myself. I became one with Him. Then God ordered me to go to the world. I could not dare refuse, even though this was all blessedness, bliss. But God said, 'All right, you go.' And I had to come."
When He was questioned, "Why did you come here?" Orders. He had to come. Then he said, "Well, what should I do? You've sent so many already." Then God told him, "Look here, all who were sent before they preached their own names rather than Mine." You see? These are the words given to the Tenth Guru; he said, "God ordered me." Like that. So when he came here the first thing he gave out, "Whoever tells me I am God, he will go to hell." You see? "Who I am? I am sent by God. I am a slave of you, a slave of you all. Don't think it an iota otherwise. I am son of God. I am ordered to come here to preach His Name, not my name." Then he enjoined so much so, "Whoever tells me I am God he will go to hell."
All others who were sent before (most all of them), we remember them, not God. O Rama, O Krishna, O Prophet Mohammed, and this and that. Is this not a vast difference? He came to awaken the people. "I am Thine, O Lord." All said, "I am Thine, O Lord."
So those who are celebrating today do not appreciate what Christ did. Did not Christ say, "Whoever loves Me will love My commandments, and My Father who has sent Me, He will love him. When He will love him, I and My Father both will manifest to him in vision." Do you remember? You read that in your own Bible. Read your scriptures and see what they say. All Masters say the same thing. If you love Me, keep My commandments. Those who keep My commandments are loved by Me and My Father who has sent Me. When My Father loves him, I and My Father both manifest to him in an experience. You see? I'm not telling you anything new, only quoting from Christ.
So Tenth Guru came here to revive the true aspect of life. Remember God, or respecting those whom He has sent, Word made flesh. They always direct you to God. "I am Thine Oh Lord." "I am Thine Oh Lord." Every time you are meeting each other. "I am Thine Oh Lord." The man meeting the other, both, "I am Thine Oh Lord." May, by Thy Will, we become One...